Strikes are generally uncommon across the board these days because the system works well and is constantly improving. A great article on the modern class struggle in China between the proletariat and national bourgeoisie is This is a Great Struggle, and it elaborates on the role of the CPC in the class struggle (for workers, against capitalists).
That is not the data i am finding https://chinaworker.info/en/2024/03/30/44910/
Even within the link you provided (which seems vastly more interested in national state interests than workers interests).
You linked a trotskyist “China watching” org, of course they are going to portray China as though it’s in crisis when it’s steadily doing better and better. This is why China’s approval rates are so high:
Secondly, the link I provided talks about worker interests, in China the interests of the state are aligned with the interests of the workers, hence the worker backlash against Lenovo.
You’ve shared this picture twice, but i cant find the study related to it.
Do you have better sources on tracking strikes in mainland China? The only other places i found info were US finance reporting on as a mattet of investment concern.
Overall, it’s difficult to find accurate data on strikes in China in english that’s not intentionally massaged or outright fabricated. There’s a ton of money in distorting it. However, it’s important to recognize that China’s system is broadly supported, and strikes are not as necessary to enact systemic changes.
You do see why the argument that strikes are rarely allowed but conveintly thats ok because they are needed or wanted isnt very convicing right?
I can seem to find numbers supporting that are a rise in strikes which line up with the global trend of economic unrest, I can not find numbers suggesting what you are saying though, and instead you seem to be suggesting that yes there is an increase of illegal strikes but no body actually or needs them because the states interests are the peoples interests. That seems inconcruent to the data showing that people are in fact striking. Which is why i was asking about different data sources. Id take non-english data sources as well to be honest. Translatinh the label and methods may take some effort but i can Arabic Numerals in almost any context.
Even by western sources, strikes are falling. You keep framing them as “illegal strikes,” and in general seem content on just parroting anti-China viewpoints. If they are striking, it’s because China is bad, if they aren’t, it’s because they aren’t allowed to, etc etc. It’s as Michael Parenti puts it, a “non-falsifiable orthodoxy.”
My point from the beginning is that China does have some strikes, but the context of said strikes is different from capitalist countries and as such trying to use “number of strikes” as a state of worker well-being is poor logic. The numbers do back broad support for China and for socialism, which is why I’ve shared them.
Im not seeing what you are saying represented in the link you provided.
Groups like CLB are saying that the strikes they are tracking are illegal strikes because the official unions are not acts on the demands of their members. Basically the sole source ive found and that you have shared. We seem to have no data to point that says otherwise.
The steelman version of what you present to me is that China has no need for strikes and that all reporting on strikes is false. Implying every group of workers in China are content to live and die in service to States ambitions as all interpersonal conflict between employer and employees is mediated without fail in some other system besides collective barganing and worker’s demostrations of solidarity.
Am i to believe that AND that China a safe place for foreign investment as is also claimed by the CCP? And if so, how?
Strikes are generally uncommon across the board these days because the system works well and is constantly improving. A great article on the modern class struggle in China between the proletariat and national bourgeoisie is This is a Great Struggle, and it elaborates on the role of the CPC in the class struggle (for workers, against capitalists).
That is not the data i am finding https://chinaworker.info/en/2024/03/30/44910/ Even within the link you provided (which seems vastly more interested in national state interests than workers interests).
You linked a trotskyist “China watching” org, of course they are going to portray China as though it’s in crisis when it’s steadily doing better and better. This is why China’s approval rates are so high:
Secondly, the link I provided talks about worker interests, in China the interests of the state are aligned with the interests of the workers, hence the worker backlash against Lenovo.
You’ve shared this picture twice, but i cant find the study related to it.
Do you have better sources on tracking strikes in mainland China? The only other places i found info were US finance reporting on as a mattet of investment concern.
Wasn’t too hard to find, IMO.
Overall, it’s difficult to find accurate data on strikes in China in english that’s not intentionally massaged or outright fabricated. There’s a ton of money in distorting it. However, it’s important to recognize that China’s system is broadly supported, and strikes are not as necessary to enact systemic changes.
You do see why the argument that strikes are rarely allowed but conveintly thats ok because they are needed or wanted isnt very convicing right?
I can seem to find numbers supporting that are a rise in strikes which line up with the global trend of economic unrest, I can not find numbers suggesting what you are saying though, and instead you seem to be suggesting that yes there is an increase of illegal strikes but no body actually or needs them because the states interests are the peoples interests. That seems inconcruent to the data showing that people are in fact striking. Which is why i was asking about different data sources. Id take non-english data sources as well to be honest. Translatinh the label and methods may take some effort but i can Arabic Numerals in almost any context.
Even by western sources, strikes are falling. You keep framing them as “illegal strikes,” and in general seem content on just parroting anti-China viewpoints. If they are striking, it’s because China is bad, if they aren’t, it’s because they aren’t allowed to, etc etc. It’s as Michael Parenti puts it, a “non-falsifiable orthodoxy.”
My point from the beginning is that China does have some strikes, but the context of said strikes is different from capitalist countries and as such trying to use “number of strikes” as a state of worker well-being is poor logic. The numbers do back broad support for China and for socialism, which is why I’ve shared them.
Im not seeing what you are saying represented in the link you provided.
Groups like CLB are saying that the strikes they are tracking are illegal strikes because the official unions are not acts on the demands of their members. Basically the sole source ive found and that you have shared. We seem to have no data to point that says otherwise.
The steelman version of what you present to me is that China has no need for strikes and that all reporting on strikes is false. Implying every group of workers in China are content to live and die in service to States ambitions as all interpersonal conflict between employer and employees is mediated without fail in some other system besides collective barganing and worker’s demostrations of solidarity.
Am i to believe that AND that China a safe place for foreign investment as is also claimed by the CCP? And if so, how?
No, you’re again mischaracterizing my point. I stated clearly my beliefs in the last comment, and now you’re sealioning.