I disagree, but i would be happier with better conditions. I still think murder is wrong, and I oppose it, but if you remove the torture aspect I admit you’re doing dramatically less harm.
If you murder me by shooting me in the back of the head while I’m not looking, that’s not torture.
Obviously I still don’t want you to kill me, but… It’s still not torture, it’s a different thing, and we have different words for that… it’s murder, or killing, or slaughter.
Please keep in mind I’m not making a moral or ethical judgement, but a definitional one. Torture is a different thing.
If, as you say
there’s no way to avoid torturing an animal while taking their life when they don’t want to die.
How are you defining torture?
Did I torture my dearly beloved pets when they had cancer or infections bad enough that I had to have them put down? No! What an odd and cruel thing that would be for me to say!
But they still didn’t want to die, and I didn’t want them to either. That’s not torture.
Farming can be ethical. You’d get a lot more agreeing by simply saying, “factory farming”.
A good farm should be giving the animals a better life than quite a lot of humans currently get. A statement that should be damning to both sides.
I disagree, but i would be happier with better conditions. I still think murder is wrong, and I oppose it, but if you remove the torture aspect I admit you’re doing dramatically less harm.
there’s no way to avoid torturing an animal while taking their life when they don’t want to die.
That’s completely fair, I was thinking more of the day in day out torture when I wrote that. My bad.
That’s kind of an absurd statement, isn’t it?
If you murder me by shooting me in the back of the head while I’m not looking, that’s not torture.
Obviously I still don’t want you to kill me, but… It’s still not torture, it’s a different thing, and we have different words for that… it’s murder, or killing, or slaughter.
Please keep in mind I’m not making a moral or ethical judgement, but a definitional one. Torture is a different thing.
If, as you say
How are you defining torture?
Did I torture my dearly beloved pets when they had cancer or infections bad enough that I had to have them put down? No! What an odd and cruel thing that would be for me to say!
But they still didn’t want to die, and I didn’t want them to either. That’s not torture.
Nope. They all end up in the same place with a knife to their throat.
You’d get a lot more agreeing by saying “Fuck it do whatever you want animals aren’t people” so fuck your entire argument.
Oh? You can ethically rape someone? You can ethically murder someone? What do you think animal agriculture entails?