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But “new” in the context of shopping just means “not used”, not that it was released in the past year or two.

And as I mentioned in another reply, they are not advertising anything false if those components are actually unused. If the buyer expects some band new, recently released machine with those specs, it’s on them. When you’re buying electronics, some minimal amount of research is required, or you outsource it to your family/friends.

Of course it’s not new new, the CPU is 10 years old. But who would think that it is?

Ok, I think I now understand the point of this thread. The implication is that some people might assume that these are brand new machines that will have software support for years to come. Even though, that’s confusing to me, as no new machine with those specs costs only 200 Euros. Like, that CPU alone, if used, cost 40-60 Euros. But IMO it’s still a stretch to call this a scam, as they are selling what they are selling. Can these machines run W11 right now? Yes. If the buyer expects something else for that price, it’s on them. The target audience could still be tech-savvy ppl who just need an older machine for simple stuff and W11 is pre-installed there just for convenience.

What does it matter that Microsoft considers it piracy? If they got the keys for cheap somewhere, it’s a real licensed version anyway and will work fine.
I can order retro emulation handhelds from China and it will arrive with 1000s of ROMs, which is literal piracy, but that doesn’t make it a scam.

Not officially, but I have, in the past, installed W11 on a computer from 2010. And it worked fine, all things considered.

But are you certain they aren’t new and this is a scam? I’m interested to know how you determined those are used.

Btw, where does it say “Nuovo”? I can’t find it. Is it not on the screenshot?

But “e-waste” means something so outadet that it’s useless. Or unrepairable. Those computers are perfectly fine for 80% of users.

And are they explicitly saying that these are new? While you know for sure it’s heavily used equipment?

Do you mean you wouldn’t consider it a scam if it has W10 preinstalled instead? How much is MS Office anyway? I know there are $5 W11 keys all over the place.

That seems like an entirely different problem from the one being discussed.

Could you explain why you consider these overpriced/scam? If those use new parts and come with warranty, at least the top one, seems fine. Can you do a breakdown of what it should cost?

My Windows PC has i5-6500 in it and I definitely don’t consider it e-waste.

I gather you like to move it move it?

Or worse… expelled.

– No, don’t call my mother, she’ll be so mad! She told me that if I die I shouldn’t come back home for dinner…

Appreciate the Cutting Crew reference. But I can and I will.

According to my brain, every time I have to interact with a stranger.

Radical approach, because I might miss the post with interesting comments, and people often provide alternative links or straight up embed summaries.

Oh you mean that the number 256 overflows into 0 in 8-bit range. My joke was leaning more into the idea that when you use all 256 possible bit combinations (1111 1111), it can represent -1 in signed integer formats. Even though 255 is the highest number you can directly represent, there are still 256 total combinations, including zero, so IMO, the joke works.

I’m not sure what you’re implying with this. But how did you dig this up anyway?

Curved relative to what?

Edit: Nvm, I understood what you mean. But I think it’s a pedantic take. They obviously mean it in the context of the surface of the sphere.

-1?