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  • EU is pretty much doing what you’re describing: it has some (weak but still) EV transition plan, it’s pushing hydrogen (to de-carbonize industries), it’s installing a lot of renewables. I would say they doing as much as people and industries are letting them. Push any harder and industries will move, people will lose their jobs and you will see even more discontent. And doing more would cost money which would mean higher taxes or less investment which people would also not like. We could tax the rich but this also isn’t very likely as there will always be a place for them to hide their money in (if not US than Russia or Argentina).

    This is how it’s going:

    This is what “best effort” gets us right now. Even if by some miracle all other countries started doing the same (and as we know US for example is doing the exact opposite) we would see 50 more years of emissions. This is obviously not going to happen so we’re pretty much fucked. Rioting will definitely not change any of that.


  • People hated seat belts and life jackets.

    No one was rioting for or against seat belts. It was a simple policy that some people didn’t like but it wasn’t opposed by the majority. To solve climate change the people you want to riot would actually have to sacrifice something.

    Sometimes the government has to operate against the will of some people for the good of all people.

    “Some” people? Sure. Majority? I don’t see it. We’re seeing so little progress on climate change because ordinary people oppose most of the solutions. No one is going to riot to get something they don’t want.


  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.nettoNo Stupid Questions@lemmy.world•When do we riot?
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    You want to riot to fix climate change? Ok, let’s say you will get everyone to riot, abolish the government and kill the elites. What will you do next to solve climate change?

    Ban* cars? People will be against it. Ban beef? People will be against it. Ban air travel? You guessed it, people will be against it. Majority of people support measures that they think will not affect them like carbon taxes and renewable energy but if you look at actual, consumer level changes you will see a big drop. Only 34% of drivers support ban on ICE cars.

    Look how much people bitch about paper straws. You think they will agree to actually limiting CO2 emissions by using less energy, traveling less, eating less meat and buying less useless stuff? The problem are not just the the elites and the billionaires. WE are the problem.

    10% richest people account for half of the emissions. To be in the top 10% you have to make over $30k a year. To stop climate change pretty much everyone on lemmy would have to agree to big sacrifices. Are you ready to significantly lower your quality of life or you just want to riot because you think it will help you save it?

    *By ban I mean limit by making more expensive.


  • What did the French protests achieve in the last decades? Hint: nothing.

    The Yellow Vests were largely ignored and the fuel tax was eventually scrapped because Covid hit, not because the government got scared of the protesters. The latest protests against pension reform were also ignored and the changes were delayed only because they couldn’t get vote of confidence in the parliament.